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  • Hey Jester. How's it been going?

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    • Not too bad just a little exhausted lately due to the heat. That said are you alright? I saw that something went down apparently but I just want to make sure you’re alright.

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    • Haha yeah. Apparently I pissed Valkerone off on accident, so he messaged me. Another user and Inferno ended up replying to that message and starting an argument on my wall. I asked, if they planned on continuing the argument, if they could take it someplace else other than my message wall (I don't want an email every time someone replies). Inferno went BERSERK. He's all like, "you want me to take away your privileges now or later? NEVER TELL ADMINS TO GO AWAY". Well, recently I've been struggling with in-home issues and suicidal thoughts, so I decided that, if that's how the Villains Wiki Admins and community choose to act, I should just cut them out of my life to preserve my mental health. I unfollowed all pages, deleted all messages, and left Inferno a message telling him that I thought his behavior was rude, and for my benefit I was going to quit the wiki. He decided to twist the knife by demoting and banning me, telling me to "be gone", and I think has begun a process of removing my contributions to the wiki (not sure about that last one, I just know he removed Villain Song Wiki from the list of Villains Wiki affiliates).

      So it's gonna be rough. Villains Wiki has been a major part of my life for a long while now, as well as one of my only sources of entertainment. I'm gonna be bummed and depressed for a while (I planned on doing SO much more page creation, discussions, etc.), but I do believe that it's for the best. I loved working on Villains Wiki, but with admins like Inferno who can hurt people however they wish without repercussion, it's a necessary sacrifice. I want to remain sane and try to be happy again, and though these events make me unhappy, they should be a stepping stone to trying to have a life again.

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    • Sorry to hear it went south but at least you are taking it well. At least we got here and just so you know I’m here anytime you need to talk.

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    • Yeah, thanks.

      While I'm here, I guess I'll ask: if I were to go away, would you want to take over the Villain Song Wiki, or would you like that position given to someone else?

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    • I am honestly not sure, I could try to keep it running though my work schedule makes it hard to do every night.

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    • I get you. I'm probably going to be promoting Cram soon, so we'll have plenty of admins here to help manage things.

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    • Sounds good to me bro.

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    • And another thanks for being the only admin on Villains that didn't treat me like crap; if there was anything good that came from my time there, it was your help and support.

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    • Anytime man and I’ve always have had fun working with you.

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    • Yo

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    • Howdy man.

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    • How's it been going?

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    • Not too bad just exhausted from work. How about you bro?

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    • Not great; but surviving.

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    • Sorry to hear that its not been great but I do hope things improve for you soon.

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    • Yeah. Just bored out of my skull most of the time. Something happens in the mobile games or series I watch and I go to Villains to update character pages, only to be like "Oh right... f*ck." It's a hard habit to break lol.

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    • Lol I understand that, been bored a lot these days.

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    • Recently I finished the two television series I was watching; you have any suggestions for good shows to watch?

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    • I have mostly been watching Lucifer and some F is for Family. Overall I don’t watch much shows though a few cartoons were good like the new She-Ra which I was surprised I genuinely liked.

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    • I might give a few of those a try. Something to relieve the boredom.

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    • You got any shows you’d recommend?

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    • Not really. Just finished catching up on My Hero Acadamia, and rewatched Avatar: Th Last Airbender.

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    • Oh well those are good shows.

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    • Yep. I'm considering checking out Assassination Classroom next; I've been searching for opinions on it among my friends.

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    • It’s one I’ve been tempted myself but haven’t tried it yet.

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    • Provided nothing changes I have shortens your block to two weeks, I read the thread and while admittedly it got out of hand I do feel a year is a bit long when others have done far worse yet received less. I just figured you should be made aware and I just hope it all works out.

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    • Wow, thanks. That was incredibly nice of you. I probably will still be trying to avoid going there (as long as Inferno's there, I don't really feel comfortable), but it's at the very least nice to know that I can still chip in and help out if I'm needed again.

      Really, thank you though. Were the other admins okay with it?

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    • Anytime and to be honest I for once just took a leap of faith (didn't ask them), one other user also felt it was bit harsh so I just lessened it in hopes others wouldn't take it as trying to undermine their authority yet realize it seemed a bit harsh.

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    • Okay, just don't do anything that gets you into trouble. I'd hate for you to have your position or rights revoked. Inferno could say you're meatpuppeting and get you demoted or even blocked, so if things take a turn for the worst, promise you'll prioritize your own account before mine.

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    • I won't do anything I feel will get me in that much trouble and one thing I thin I have in my favor is I haven't done this hardly if ever.

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    • Just be careful. I never really liked Inferno, but even I could tell that he's been harsher to other users recently.

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    • I don't mind him but I do feel yours was a bit harsh and I will be careful.

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    • Well, thank you.

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    • Anytime buddy.

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    • Hey Jester, I had another question about a song potentially qualifying as a villain song; I just need a second opinion because I'm honestly not sure.

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    • Sure feel free to ask.

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    • So the song is called "Snow White Queen" by the band Evanescence. At first listen, it sounds like just a kind of dark love song, but there's actually a freaky backstory behind it. The band's lead singer, Amy Lee, was being stalked both in real life and online (where she used the alias "Snow White Queen". As such, she wrote the song "Snow White Queen" to be from the perspective of her stalker. Now, as for its qualifications as a villain song, here are the questions:

      1. The song itself never explicitly states that it from the point of view of a stalker; one needs to know the backstory to know that

      2. One of our rules is "no real-life villain songs". That is, songs ABOUT real-life villains in a fictionalized manner qualify (Blackbeard vs Al Capone, Dick Turpin, Highwayman, etc.) but songs that were used BY real-life villains (the State Anthem of the Soviet Union, Horst-Wessel-Lied) are not allowed. Is this song in compliance with that rule, or is it a little too real as it was based on the singer's actual experiences?

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    • Tough one, I can see it at possibly as a warning song based off what you said but if it doesn’t sound villainous unless context is what I debate... I lean to it counting as more symbolism thus allowed based off the description due to being a bit vague.

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    • I dunno, do the lyrics add any detail? https://evanescence.fandom.com/wiki/Snow_White_Queen_(song)

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    • It very vaguely hints towards a stalker but reading it probably not enough partly because it so only a couple lines.

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    • So do you think it warrants a page?

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    • Now that you shared the lyrics no as while one could allude to a stalker it’s a bit too short to get a lot of info and vague without the real life context.

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    • Alright, thanks.

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    • Anytime bro.

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    • Hey Jester. Just checking in.

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    • Howdy man, how are you?

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    • Hanging in there.

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    • I hope things get easier.

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    • Yep. I hope to slowly but surely make my way off the PE Proposal blacklist, because two of the candidates I got approved now have redeeming qualities. Other than that, I've gotten the pages/edits I wanted to do on Villains pretty much done, so my OCD can finally leave me the hell alone.

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    • If you remind me in one month I will re-add you, the only condition is obviously stay out of trouble which I don’t see being an issue.

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    • Lol yeah. I'm going to try and be less involved with stuff like PE Proposals and discussions and just try my best to stay out of the "community" aspect of it altogether, and just edit/make pages.

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    • Alright, some more questions for you:

      The RWBY Volume 7 soundtrack dropped yesterday (it's terrible BTW, I think I like maybe two songs on it). It's tricky to tell whose POV some of the songs are supposed to be from, but most are hero songs. There are only two that are MAYBE worth being considered villain songs, and I wanted to hear your thoughts:

      The first is (ironically) titled "Hero". It plays during the fight between Ironwood and Watts, and is clearly from Ironwood's POV. However, at that point in the story he hadn't fallen quite yet, and I'm one of the people still reluctant to call Ironwood a "villain". However, the song does reflect some of his "whatever it takes" mentality, though it's mostly a promise to protect the world. So I'm unsure.

      The other one is "Celebrate", a funky (and in my opinion awful) dance song that plays during Robyn Hill's rally and premature celebration. Though it's the background music for Hill (who also is playing the whole Ironwood "Grey Zone" game), it's clearly not from her POV, as it references stuff that's not even in RWBY like Christmas and Las Vegas, and is more supposed to be just a generic "party" song. Again, it's a theme for a morally grey character but isn't from her POV, so I don't know if it qualifies.

      The only others are instrumental tracks that reference the villains, like "...And I Refuse to Starve".

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    • Had to listen to get an idea of the tone, Hero I can maybe see though honestly not sure especially since I’m reluctant to call him truly a villain as the only thing that really came across as outright villainous was at the end with Oscar. It doesn’t help it’s when fighting Watts this before he became even arguably a villain. I honestly lean slightly against both, Hero for the fact it’s before Ironwood did anything and how he ultimately is just saying he’ll do what it takes (which if it were after it or minimum him doing more at the time id be more compelled to giving it a yes to being here) and Celebration is too much not only background music and not really villainous in itself context wise.

      On another note I have to say I’m really disappointed with what I’ve heard of the soundtrack. “Hero” was ok but kind of weak compared to previous songs for the series but “Celebrate” was definitely not my cup of tea. This soundtrack from what I’ve heard has to be the absolute worst of all them so far, really hope next season and minimum the next soundtrack improves immensely. Might try a couple others from the soundtrack but not a top priority.

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    • Yeah, I downloaded the soundtrack yesterday and it's a MAJOR disappointment. All the songs sound like the ones you skip in the first three soundtracks; it's all dance/pop with none of the rock/metal of the previous soundtracks. "Hero", "War", and "Fear" are okay, "Trust Love" and "Touch the Sky" are passable but just don't sound like RWBY, and "Brand New Day", "Let's Get Real", and "Celebrate" are absolute garbage. The only ones legitimately good, like RWBY quality good, are "Until the End" (a slow ballad like "All Our Days" or "Cold"), and the acoustic version of "I May Fall". I'm genuinely shocked at all the people saying that they love this soundtrack; I think it's terrible.

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    • I might give the ones you mentioned liking a shot and yeah it’s baffling me how much praise some give it, even as a fan of the show and most the previous soundtracks this one feels like something I’d change the station from if I was driving somewhere.

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    • I listened to it the first time at work yesterday, and if my hands hadn't been so full (literally and figuratively), I would have skipped the majority of the album. It's definitely my least favorite; I think the soundtracks have gotten progressively worse along with the show.

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    • I do feel bad that you paid for it and yeah while I loved most the songs of previous soundtracks the last couple have seemed somewhat weaker as a whole.

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    • Yeah, but at least they had some bangers on them: Volume 5 had "The Triumph", "Smile", and "All Things Must Die", and Volume 6 had "One Thing". This one, even the good ones are just good. No great songs this time.

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    • Very true which makes this one even worse in comparison.

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    • One thing I did notice is that the musical direction seems to be taking heavy influence from Casey Lee Williams' new alternative rock band Ok Goodnight (they're even referenced in the lyrics of one of the V7 songs). Ok Goodnight is a decent band, but even they do more rock/metal than RWBY nowadays.

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